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Why Democrats Oppose "Voter ID" Bills

The Editor's Column
Posted by WhosPlayin on 2009/3/19 8:20:00 (3673 reads)

Ed. note: We're republishing this post from 2007:

Why Democrats Oppose "Voter ID" Bills

This post is written to explain in greater detail than the sound-bytes and radio talk show propaganda, why it is that Democrats really oppose the Voter ID bills that have been introduced in a lot of states, including Texas.

First, let me take the opportunity to state unequivocally that Democrats, like our Republican colleagues, absolutely believe that all voters should be eligible American citizens.

But our higher concern is that all eligible citizens should be voters. Nothing would please us all more than to have an educated and engaged electorate that actually cares to research the candidates and issues and vote their conscience. This is the system that guarantees the continued success of almost 231 years of freedom from tyranny.

The concept of “one person – one vote”, though fairly new in world history, is pretty much universally accepted in this nation. There are admittedly, still some extremists out there who would exclude certain groups by the reinstitution of Jim Crow if they had the chance. But that’s not what this post is about.



Democrats have often been accused of wanting to register illegal aliens to vote and/or grant amnesty and citizenship to aliens in order to gain voter base. Though there is no evidence that this practice is widespread, and government reports have admitted as much, this practice, if it happens, is despicable. The Democratic Party absolutely condemns this and ANY practice which would either allow illegal voters, or deny the vote to legitimate voters.

So, the seemingly obvious answer to the question of who is or is not an eligible voter has been to require identification and proof of citizenship for those who vote. After all, most of us who are politically engaged – those of us with internet access reading this post, do easily have access to identification. The argument goes that one must have identification to rent a movie, so why not I.D. to vote?

The problem here is that Democrats see the nuance. We realize that there is a law of unintended consequences. Both parties are aware of this universal law, but they only seem to drag it out when it’s convenient. Your average radio talk show host will lose his audience if he talks nuance and unintended consequences. So the issue is turned into an artificial dichotomy: You’re either for Voter ID, or you’re for voter fraud.

Why ID Bills and Proof of Citizenship Bills are Bad

Well, if the mere mention of the word “nuance” hasn’t lost you, and you’re still reading, here’s why the I.D. Bills and Proof of Citizenship bills have been problematic:

  • Although most working age middle-class citizens do have drivers’ licenses, this is not the case for everyone. Specifically, older citizens who have quit driving, or are in nursing homes not only lack valid drivers licenses, but they lack the ability to get to the polls. Their votes should count. Previous generations realized this, and have provided for mail-in ballots. Requiring ID other than a valid voter registration, effectively kills the mail-in-ballot.
  • Identification in the United States is not yet standardized and adopted. The only national identification that proves not only citizenship AND identification is the U.S. Passport. A drivers license is simply a license to drive. These are issued to foreign nationals today – even in Texas. By law, it is supposed to reflect an individual’s residential address. Different states have different license and ID cards, with many different versions. Ask any bartender about how difficult it is to keep track of what each state’s IDs look like, and the fact that they have special books – thick books- that show and describe versions of the IDs of each state. Bills that call for ID at the time of voter registration are problematic because they make it difficult for new residents from other states and counties to register to vote. If one must first get their ID or Driver’s license address corrected, and then register to vote, you effectively lengthen the 30 day requirement for pre-registration before an election.
  • Documents like birth certificates, passports, and naturalization certificates that prove one’s citizenship are not commonly and widely held by even the average citizen. Each of these documents costs money to obtain – in Texas, $23 to obtain a copy of your Texas birth certificate. If you were born in another state, there will be some cost, along with a good amount of hassle to obtain this document. Putting a price on the prerequisites for voting implements a de-facto Poll Tax, which is constitutionally prohibited.
  • Strict ID requirements create long lines and confusion at the polls. I can tell you from personal experience, having worked the polls on Election Day, that getting people checked in on the voter rolls and getting them ballots takes time. There are seldom enough volunteers to help with this. If we had been required to check IDs and verify an exact match, it would have lengthened lines and caused legitimate voters to either turn around, or have to wait a long time. Now for me personally, I’ll wait in line however long it takes. But unfortunately, many Americans are so ambivalent or disaffected by the system that they would just turn around.
  • There is just not currently an inexpensive, fair, and unobtrusive way to verify citizenship of voters, other than the methods currently in use.
  • So far, the extent of the problem with voter fraud has not been quantified, other than anecdotal cases. But the bills that have been discussed to combat this problem carry definite quantified costs to the taxpayers, and anticipated costs in terms of disenfranchised voters.

The True Problems

As I’ve said, Democrats do care about keeping the democratic process of voting secure. First, we need to identify and solve the most important and significant problems.

We believe the most common forms of election fraud and unfair play involve factors that have nothing to do with individual voters, and everything to do with political maneuvering and deception:

  • Purging
  • Caging
  • Gerrymandering
  • Voter suppression
  • Shenanigans by vote counters
  • Failure to locate enough voting locations or voting machines certain neighborhoods.
  • Lack of single-member districts in some localities.
    • So what would Democrats support?

      With regard to voter ID, our national infrastructure just simply doesn’t yet support this, and without trying to start arguments about a national ID card, voting would be one of the major arguments for it. Here’s what it would have to have in order for me to support it:
      • Must state whether the individual is a citizen or not.
      • Must indicate the home address.
      • Must contain a photo and/or biometric keys
      • Must have the utmost fraud prevention measures.
      • Must cost nothing. (Otherwise, requiring it for any government reasons would amount to a poll tax)
      • Must be easy to obtain.
      • Must be widely accepted and held by all Americans, including the elderly, the naturalized citizens, and minorities.

      Getting to this point will take many years, and a lot of collaboration between the states’ bureaus of vital statistics so that from birth or naturalization to death, some state or federal authority will be able to identify an individual. The technology exists, but for various philosophical reasons, people disagree on whether this should be something that government does.


      Summary

      If there is voter fraud, it ought to be identified and prosecuted – and not selectively targeted against the minority party by whichever party is currently in control.

      Democracy is a precious gift from our forefathers, bought and paid for by the blood of Americans. Above all else, we must preserve the democratic process as an inheritance for our children and theirs.

      Those who currently go on about voter fraud are simply using a distraction technique to draw the public’s attention away from the real impediments to the democratic process in this country.

      Originally published 2007-05-29



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Anonymous
Posted: 2007/5/29 18:31  Updated: 2007/5/29 19:14
 Well said.
Well written.
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Anonymous
Posted: 2007/5/30 14:06  Updated: 2007/5/30 14:49
 Re: Well said.
You make a lot of points that sound quite reasonable, but ultimately I think the Democratic party hurts itself by simply opposing voter ID bills without offering up one of their own.

I too have worked the polls on election day and have come face to face with at least a half dozen folks who were absolutely trying to commit voter fraud. I think they would have gotten away with it too had it not been for the fact I was a fill-in election judge. (the normal judge died a week before the election) One lady didn't understand why I wouldn't let her vote a second time after she had already cast a vote in early voting. As she put it: "the other guy always let me do that." Another guy showed up and pulled out 3 voter registration cards trying to figure out which one to vote at that precinct. He left as soon as I questioned why he had 3 cards with 3 different names.

Yes, much of the talk about voter fraud is anecdotal, but it is real and it does happen. It should concern all of us regardless of party.

The problem the Democrats have is they offer opposition, but no solution. To deny there are problems only hurts your credibility with voters.
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WhosPlayin
Posted: 2007/5/30 14:53  Updated: 2007/5/30 14:53
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 What about National ID?
Wouldn't a single secure, free national ID be the answer then? Even so, I'm not sure how you would do absentee ballots for our troops. I'm open to ideas here, but I've yet to hear one that doesn't seem to have a bigger down side.
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Posted: 2007/7/23 7:57  Updated: 2007/7/23 8:38
 Why did you delete my posts?
Hello! I have a question:
Why did you delete my posts about [URL deleted] ???
It will probably angry about the lack of a forum, and where free communication ??
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WhosPlayin
Posted: 2007/7/23 8:37  Updated: 2007/7/23 8:37
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 Re: Why did you delete my posts?
I delete all posts which are SPAM. If you post the address of a website, or fail to put in a valid subject line, you get censored. Seeing as how the link you posted is to a Russian website, it has nothing to do with this topic.

If you want "free communication" buy your own server and set up your own website.
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Posted: 2009/5/29 15:27  Updated: 2009/5/29 22:56
 Re: Why Democrats Oppose "Voter ID" Bills
I'm torn on this issue, Steve. Would the part of your post "So What Would Democrats Support?" ensure that only registered voters and legal residents are allowed to vote?

Thanks for posting this.
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WhosPlayin
Posted: 2009/5/29 23:13  Updated: 2009/5/29 23:13
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 Re: Why Democrats Oppose "Voter ID" Bills
I'm glad I could add something to the discussion here.

I think that having some sort of national ID would take care of most of the problems. You still have the issue of people moving from one address to another. Many people carry drivers licenses that have the incorrect address on them - particularly young people who are very mobile.

If the card were to have some electronic features - like a smart card - with PKI encryption and digital signing, I think its uses for commerce would be a tremendous payback - maybe killing the problem of identity theft.

It would also speed up the voting process. Imagine that you walk up to an election, hand the judge your card, stick your thumb on a scanner, and you're instantly checked in and verified. You grab your ballot or code and vote instantly. The machine prints out a receipt for your vote, containing a code number which you can use to go online and see your actual ballot.

I think that initially, the feds would have to foot the bill for the production and infrastructure, paying the states to verify each applicant's source documents.

I suppose one could write a book about all of this though. I'm partial to smart cards, having worked with them a bit.
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