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Joint LISD / Lewisville Council Meeting to Discuss $40 + Million Lewisville High School Replacement (Updated)

Lewisville ISD Notes
Posted by WhosPlayin on 2010/2/24 16:30:00 (821 reads)

Open in new windowOpen in new windowThe Lewisville Independent School District's Board of Trustees will be conducting a joint workshop meeting with Lewisville City Council

Tuesday, March 2, 2010
5:30 PM
Bolin Administrative Center, 1565 W. Main Street, Lewisville, Texas

1. DINNER - 5:30pm in Room D
2. WORKSHOP - 6:30pm in Board Room
A. Discussion of Proposed Renovations to Lewisville High School
3. ADJOURNMENT


LISD Facilities staff are expected to present a new plan to demolish and reconstruct most of Lewisville High School, instead of the previously approved plan to renovate the building by removing asbestos and installing new HVAC and fire sprinklers.

After some negitiations with the City of Lewisville last year, the District had previously agreed to a renovation of the existing facility estimated at $12 million. However, costs increased, as explained by District Spokeswoman Karen Permetti:
The decision to approach the Board about rebuilding the original parts of the building, minus the auditorium that would be refurbished, is due to the cost of replacing the sprinkler system. Similar to remodeling a home, once you remove a wall to determine the full scope of a project, you see other items needing repair, etc. The original estimate for replacing the sprinklers was $12 million. Due to the age of the building, the cost increased to $20 million. It roughly costs the district $438,000 annually to maintain the current building due to the age of the facility. To rebuild the original building is estimated between $43 million-$48 million. The amount won't be narrowed down until Tuesday night. The administration felt it was in the best interest to approach the Board about rebuilding the school, hence the workshop for next Tuesday.


This comes at a time when the district is facing an $18 million operating budget shortfall in the next fiscal year, but the costs for the new building would likely come from bond money, paid back over the course of many years. It is unknown at this point whether voters would be required to approve a new bond, or if existing approved funds could be shifted to this use.

Depending on how this is all financed, the construction will likely reduce the operating budget by reducing the approximately $438,000 spent yearly on maintenance of the old building. Additionally, depending on how the building is constructed, we could see savings on energy costs.

This meeting is open to the public, and will cover how the idea evolved as well as the timeline and construction plans, and renderings of what the new building might look like. Also up for discussion is how the project will be funded and what the academic benefits will be.

The meeting falls on the night of the Republican and Democratic primary elections in Texas. Tuesday was selected because Lewisville City Council has a regular meeting on Monday night, and the LISD board has a regular meeting on the following Monday night. Tuesday worked out best for all of the attendees.

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Note: Video from this meeting has been posted.



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Anonymous
Posted: 2010/2/24 22:59  Updated: 2010/2/25 0:09
 Re: Joint LISD / Lewisville Council Meeting to Discuss $4...
I know where LISD can find $56 million that will more than cover the new construction at LHS' main campus. All LISD needs to do is immediately STOP building the third campus for LHS at 3040 and Ace Lane(you know the one -- the proposed new school to house half of LHS 9th graders and half of LHS 10th graders). LISD has claimed for a long time that LHS is overcrowded, so they insist on building a third campus that will put LHS students in campuses located all over town (the only high school in LISD with this configuration). Here's the answer: Scrap the third campus plan and build LHS' new building larger than it is now with a bigger cafeteria. Bond money saved. Operating expenses cut. School unity maintained. Successful 9th grade campus remains unchanged. Affected community happy. Problem solved. (Note: Please, no one say "smaller learning communities are necessary due to LHS demographics" in any response to this post. That won't hold water. LHS is a "recognized" campus, so its current learning communities are performing well.)
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Anonymous
Posted: 2010/2/25 17:53  Updated: 2010/2/25 19:46
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I wonder how to put the breaks on that construction project?
3 campuses for 1 high school is ludicrous. That disjointed approach can't possibly maximize the needs of LHS students. Improving the main campus should be the priority, and discussions should reveal if that is best accomplished by a tear down and rebuild or by a renovation of the current construction.
It's easy to say "we support our children" and authorize the superintendent and board of trustees to spend millions of dollars, but that doesnt' mean that the dollars are inherently benefitting the students. Some projects, such as this one, need to be scrutinized closely to make that judgement
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mjtgiggles
Posted: 2010/2/25 20:40  Updated: 2010/2/25 20:40
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 Re: Joint LISD / Lewisville Council Meeting to Discuss $4...
My question is if they rebuild LHS where will the kids go to school while rebuilding? I am sure they can not tear the school down and rebuild over 1 summer!
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WhosPlayin
Posted: 2010/2/25 21:26  Updated: 2010/2/25 21:26
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 Re: Joint LISD / Lewisville Council Meeting to Discuss $4...
Circus Tents.

Just kidding. What I heard was that the new building will not be in exactly the same footprint. I also have heard from a few people that the construction could start in October.

We'll find out much more on Tuesday night, and I've been told I'll have a copy of the presentation on Wednesday morning.

I'll keep you posted.
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Anonymous
Posted: 2010/3/8 11:43  Updated: 2010/3/8 15:58
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They are simply tearing down the school in sections over the summer and during the school year. They are planning on putting the school were the parking lot is and the parking lot were the school is. For the new science wing they are planning on keeping it as is.
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PKelly
Posted: 2010/2/28 7:39  Updated: 2010/2/28 7:40
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 Re: Joint LISD / Lewisville Council Meeting to Discuss $4...
Let’s put aside for a moment the discussion regarding if these changes are critical enough to spend this kind of money in this kind of economy with a budget shortfall of $18 million that will likely, according to a PTA meeting I attended a couple of months ago, result in a tax increase.

I can tell you that if my company sold a project based on one estimate and then came back with another estimate that was potentially 4X the original amount, I would lose the work. Especially in this economy, why are government contractors immune to this kind of accountability? I am interested to know if the entire project will be placed out for competitive bid again. Anyone have information about this?

--Patrick Kelly
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WhosPlayin
Posted: 2010/2/28 9:55  Updated: 2010/2/28 9:55
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I can somewhat understand how asbestos removal costs could run away. I was in a meeting several months ago where the contractor was explaining the process, and it seemed pretty arduous.

But I also have to say that in the past, when I've looked at the construction costs, such as with the last bond election, the cost per square foot seemed quite high, compared to commercial or residential construction.

I understand that school buildings need to be very durable, but I have wondered whether there might be gold-plated toilets being installed somewhere to make the costs as high as they are.

I hope the project will be put out for competitive bid.
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Posted: 2010/3/2 12:07  Updated: 2010/3/2 12:07
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 Juneau Rejected 9/10 Grade Concept for its Schools.
This is an interesting read: Juneau schools rejected the 9/10 concept. (Even though parents favored it).
•First, in 9/10-11/12 splits, the added transition between 10 and 11 is an issue. Some students simply don’t show up at the new school. In a district attempting to explicitly address the drop out issue and raise graduation rates, this creates a major red flag.
•One of the major goals of the Juneau Public Schools is to create strong relationships for students. This desire was voiced strongly during the community forums. The best practice research is also very clear about the effect of continuous relationships between teachers and students throughout their high school careers. In the 9/10-11/12 schools, not only were the relationships of shorter duration (two vs. four years), but the administrators stated that there seemed to be some question about who “owned” the kids—Whose responsibility was it to search out students who didn’t show up for eleventh grade? Since the “new” school didn’t already have relationships with these students, there was less active one-on-one recruiting and problem solving to make sure all kids made it into the system. The committee felt that a four-year advisory program would help create strong relationships and address the desire that they heard from the community for “personalization,” and these would not be possible in a split.
•School staff reported that the 9/10 schools had a “glorified middle school” feel to them. Without the maturity and mentoring available from older students, they felt there was a void of leadership that resulted in an increase in behavioral issues.
•When students fail to earn required credits during their freshman and sophomore years, there is a greater issue of what to do about these credits and their placement. Do they stay at the 9/10-11/12 school? What about electives? If they go on to the 11/12, how do they earn the missed credits? These were all issues in the split schools.
•Advanced students spent time traveling between schools as there were not enough students in the 9/10 to offer sections of advanced mathematics, foreign language, etc.
•The state of Alaska has some pretty clear directives in terms of funding. In order for the school district to receive $1.4 million in operating costs for the new school, it MUST be designated as a separate school. It can have different grades, but it must be a distinct entity.
•On the other hand, in order for students at a 9/10 school to be able to participate in athletics/activities at an 11/12 school, they CANNOT be designated as separate schools; in fact, the only students allowed to participate in athletics and activities in another school must come from an “alternative” school.
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Posted: 2010/3/5 11:58  Updated: 2010/3/6 10:23
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I go to the highschool now and I think they need to improve the hallways because they are way too small right now and with the city growing, the school that is there now will not be useable by students. Why not pay a more money for a new school since they need to put in a sprinkler system. If they put up more money kids can have a new school for a new start at life. Also with new rooms and a new atmosphere students can do better in school.
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