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Updated: Lewisville Citizens Petitioning for Anti-Smoking Ordinance

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Posted by WhosPlayin on 2009/10/20 22:30:00 (585 reads)

Open in new windowA group of Lewisville citizens headed up by Mace Meier is organizing a petition for a ballot initiative that if passed would ban smoking in all public facilities including restaurants and bars. The group, calling itself Citizens for a Smoke Free Lewisville, is not yet circulating their petition, but instead is trying to focus on gaining grassroots support before they start their official attempt to collect the 2,200 necessary signatures.

In 2007, the Lewisville City Council considered putting this question to the voters in a non-binding referendum, but eventually decided against it. (Possibly because the Secretary of State in 1990 issued an opinion that cities could not have non-binding referenda unless it is in their charter?)

The group has launched its website at www.smokefreelewisville.com, and is currently collecting names and email addresses of voters who intend to support the effort to get this on the ballot. Adding your name to the online form does not constitute a legal signature of the petition, so the group will contact voters who sign up, just as soon as the petition drive is officially under way.


Meet Mace Meier
Meier, who has never smoked, says his motivation for seeking this ordinance is "purely selfish." Here's how he put it in an email interview with us:

I go out to some of the bars in Lewisville and in no time I wreak of smoke. My clothes stink. My eyes are red. Nicotine is a stimulant, and if I hang out in some of these smoky places too long, I have trouble sleeping at night. There have been instances where, not only do my clothes wreak of smoke the next morning, but my sheets too. It's disgusting. And it increases the aging process.

I've actually had smoker's cough the next morning after hanging out in some of these places too long. Big, giant nasty black boogers in my nose. And then my nose bleeds a little when I clean them out. It's just gross.

I'd guess if I hang out in one of these places long enough to watch a football game on the big screen, I'm probably smoking the equivalent of several cigarettes.

The smokers shouldn't have the right to do that. They represent, I'm guessing, 20% of the population, but under current law, they have the right to make the other 80% of us deal with their nasty habit. They need to take it outside where it won't bother others.


When asked about whether he thought the ordinance would help or hurt local bar and restaurant owners, Meier had this to say:
What bar owners don't realize is that just about all of their
non-smoking clients complain of needing a shower after leaving their establishments. There have been many times I've thought about stopping in to a local pub for a drink and socializing but decided not to because I didn't want to smell like an ash tray.

Sure, they may lose some smoking clients but clean air and good health should be more important than sales and dollars.

We haven't had to deal with this in places like office environments, airports and airplanes, malls, libraries...just about any place where alcohol isn't served...it's banned. Just because alcohol is introduced, why should smoking be allowed? Can you imagine if government hadn't taken any action on smoking on airplanes and you were seated next to a chain smoker?
I can't imagine how bad that would be. But it would be bad. Government should definitely have a role in this and I'm more than just a little disappointed with our city council for being so spineless on this issue.


Former Candidate Supports It
T.J. Gilmore, who ran for Lewisville City Council in the last election, and lost by 8 votes to John Gorena is also backing the effort, as he announced in a Sunday evening email:
I'm part of this group and our objective is to place a Smoke Free ordinance on the city ballot this spring. I am personally supporting the initiative and if you're interested in signing the petition please go to www.smokefreelewisville.com and fill out the sign up form. This is not an official petition but is a kick off for gathering the names of signers.

The website has information on why a Smoke Free ordinance is important, the text of the ordinance (which is the same as the Flower Mound ordinance passed last year) and how you can help besides signing the petition.

Of course this is a highly charged issue, what's important is that citizens should make the decision. We decide on the types of businesses that are allowed in the city, where they can be located, and what your home can be built of. Smoking, its health effects and impacts, are well known and easily fall under the same types of community standards.

If you have questions or concerns feel free to speak with me or email the Smoke Free Lewisville organization at smokefreelewisville@gmail.com .


City secretary Julie Heinze had not yet seen the proposed ordinance when we spoke to her on Monday, but said that the measure would require 2,246 valid signatures, and requires no pre-approval as to form or legality by the City Attorney:
If the charter requirements are met, an election will be called on the proposed legislation. He can give an opinion to the Council as to what the proposed legislation will or will not do, but neither he nor the council can change the language proposed.
He cannot give an opinion as to the legality of the proposed legislation before it is placed on the ballot; however, there may be issues that arise regarding the petition and related matters that require an opinion and possible action by the council."


How this works in Lewisville
Chapter 7 of the City Charter defines how citizens may call for and pass referendums. According to the charter, if the petition is accepted and certified to have enough signatures, then the Council may choose to pass the ordinance immediately by majority vote of the Council. The signatures that count are those that can be collected within 45 days. If the petitioners are running short of signatures and need more time, they can ask those who signed earlier than 45 days ago to sign again.

All of the signatures on the petition must be from currently eligible and registered voters in the City of Lewisville. Most petition organizers will shoot for some safety margin over and above the required number of signatures so that they can be assured to have enough if some of the signatures are ruled invalid. The City Secretary has set a deadline of January 21st for submitting the signatures in order to guarantee that action could be taken prior to March 8th, which is the deadline for calling the election.

Once the petitions are turned in, the City Secretary will have 15 days to present it to the Council, who will then have 10 days to vote for one of two options:
A) Pass the proposed ordinance as-is without a citizen referendum.
B) Place the proposed ordinance on the ballot for the next available election date. In this case, that date would be May 8, 2010, which will coincide with City Council elections already planned for that date.

Under the Charter, once an ordinance has been set by the citizens in this manner, the Council may NOT repeal it or amend it in any manner that is inconsistent with the version that the citizens passed.

Council Can Still Make Some Moves
Since the City Council also has the right to place a referendum on the ballot, and since Section 7.08 of the Charter states that if there are two inconsistent ordinances that pass, the one with the highest vote wins, it is conceivable that the Council could add another option.

For example, the proposed ordinance bans smoking in restaurants, bars, and within 25 feet of a door. If it chose to, the Council could put forth its own referendum banning smoking in Restaurants only, but NOT in bars or outdoors. Or it could ban smoking in restaurants and bars, but NOT outdoors. In this case, there would be 3 mutually exclusive choices, so whichever version that got the highest number of votes above the majority of voters would win.

Losing could still be winning
If none of the proposed ordinances passes, Council would still legally be allowed to pass it without further citizen referendum at a later date. They just wouldn't want to do it too soon, or they would face voter wrath at the next election.

If voters wanted to permanently ban the Council from taking this subject up on their own, it would be possible for another group to submit their own petition stating that smoking cannot be banned by the city. If that referendum passed and the others failed, then it would be binding on Council.

We've reached out to our City Council members for comment, and will update this post with more information when we get it.

Organization Website: www.smokefreelewisville.com
Facebook Group: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Citizen ... e-Lewisville/158618018003

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WhosPlayin
Posted: 2009/10/20 20:43  Updated: 2009/10/20 20:43
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 Question raised about 45 day period for signatures
Gilmore states that the period for gathering signatures is 180 days. I read the charter as allowing 45 days worth of signatures. The language is a bit ambiguous in that the section on referendums refers to the section on recall of officers for some of the detail about signature gathering. It's clear that recall efforts only allow 45 days, but it's not so clear to me about referendum petitions.

We've asked the City Secretary for more clarification.
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Posted: 2009/10/21 16:53  Updated: 2009/10/21 16:53
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 It's 45 days.
The City Secretary conferred with City Attorney Ron Neiman today and confirmed that although state law allows 180 days to collect signatures, the City's charter overrides that, so there will indeed be a 45 day signature gathering period.

Gilmore is confident his group can gather the required signatures.
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Posted: 2009/10/20 20:48  Updated: 2009/10/20 20:48
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 Full text of the proposed ordinance
This is from the Smoke Free Lewisville website. Their copy is the official one, but I'm reposting here for convenience:

REGULATION OF SMOKING IN PUBLIC PLACES


Sec. 1-1. Definitions.

Place of employment means any enclosed indoor area under the control of a public or private employer that employees normally frequent during the course of employment, including, but not limited to, work areas, employee lounges and restrooms, conference rooms and classrooms, employee cafeterias and hallways. A private residence is not a "place of employment" unless it is used as a child care, adult day care or health care facility.

Public building or place means any building, place and/or enclosed indoor area to which the public is invited or in which the public is permitted or that serves as a workplace other than a building or structure for which the primary use is that of a private residence.

Smoke, smokes or smoking means:

(1) Carrying or holding a lighted pipe, cigar, cigarette, weed, plant or combustible material in any manner or in any form or of any kind or any other lighted smoking equipment or device;

(2) A lighted pipe, cigar, cigarette, weed, plant or combustible material in any manner or in any form or of any kind or any other smoking equipment or device; or

(3) Inhaling, emitting or exhaling the smoke of a pipe, cigar, cigarette, weed, plant or combustible material in any manner or in any form or of any kind or any other smoking equipment or device.


Sec. 1-2. Places where smoking is prohibited.

(a) Smoking shall be prohibited in all public places and enclosed places of employment within the town, including, but not limited to, the following places:

(1) Within any places of employment and/or within any enclosed area available to and customarily used by the general public in all businesses or to which the public is invited or in which the public is permitted, including but not limited to retail stores, offices, banks, food establishments, bars, restaurants, warehouses, manufacturing facilities, hospitals, and medical facilities;

(2) In or within 25 feet of any door, operable window/vent or other opening to a public building, place of employment or place where smoking is prohibited;

(3) In public parks, including but not limited to public recreation fields, pools, playgrounds, concession stands, restrooms, trails and any seating or observation areas abutting and immediately adjacent thereto;

(4) Hotels and motels, except as provided for in section 1-3, below.


Sec. 1-3. Places where smoking is not prohibited.

(a) The following areas shall not be subject to the smoking restrictions of this article:

(1) Private residences, including porch and yard areas, except when the residence is used as a child care, adult day care, or health care facility;

(2) Personal automobiles;

(3) Outdoor places of employment, except as prohibited in section 1-2, above;

(4) Parking lots within public parks, except within 25 feet of any recreation field or other protected area identified in subsection 1-2(a)(3), or any door, operable window/vent or other opening to a public building, place of employment or place where smoking is prohibited;

(5) Public sidewalks, except within 25 feet of any door, operable window/vent or other opening to a public building, place of employment or place where smoking is prohibited;

(6) Hotel or motel. Not more than ten percent of hotel and motel rooms rented to guests and designated as smoking rooms. All smoking rooms on the same floor must be contiguous and smoke from these rooms must not infiltrate into areas where smoking is prohibited under the provisions of this article. The status of rooms as smoking or nonsmoking may not be changed, except to add additional nonsmoking rooms.


Sec. 1-4. Posting of signs.

(a) The owner, manager or other person having control of any public building or place, place of employment, or premise where smoking is prohibited by this article shall have a conspicuously posted sign clearly stating "No Smoking" at each entrance, whether for the public, employees or deliveries, and at all restroom entrances.

(b) Such "No Smoking" signs shall have bold lettering of not less than one inch in height. The international "No Smoking" symbol may also be used (consisting of a pictorial representation of a burning cigarette enclosed in a red circle with red bar across it).

(c) Any owner, manager, or other person having control of any establishment regulated by this article shall be responsible for posting appropriate signage in accordance with paragraphs in this subsections (a) and (b) of this section.


Sec. 1-5. Enforcement.

(a) The provisions of this article shall be enforced by the city manager or his/her designee. Notwithstanding any provisions contained in this article to the contrary, the city manager or designee is hereby granted the authority to issue citations to persons violating any provision of this article.

(b) It shall be the duty of the owner, manager, operator or person-in-charge of any public building or place, place of employment, premise or establishment regulated by this article to:

(1) Post signs in accordance with section 1-4 of this article;

(2) Not provide ashtrays, matches, lighters or other smoking related paraphernalia in a public building or place, place of employment, premise or establishment where smoking is prohibited;

(3) Advise a person who is smoking in violation of this article that smoking is not allowed; and

(4) Request a person remove themselves from this location after that person has been advised that smoking is not allowed and that person willfully continues to smoke.


Sec. 1-6. Penalties.

(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to smoke in any area where smoking is prohibited by the provisions of this article.

(b) It shall be unlawful for any person who owns, manages, operates or otherwise controls the use of any public building or place, place of employment, premise or establishment subject to regulation under this article to fail to comply with the provisions of this article.

(c) Any person who violates any provision of this article shall be guilty of a misdemeanor infraction, punishable by a fine not to exceed $500.00. Each day a violation is permitted to exist shall constitute a separate offense.
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Posted: 2009/10/20 21:43  Updated: 2009/10/20 21:43
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 Councilman Gorena's Thoughts
John Gorena last updated his blog on the subject of an anti-smoking ordinance back in 2008. He has just confirmed with us that his opinion has not changed.

His thoughts summed up:
- He would be okay with a statewide ban.
- He doesn't believe the City Council should ban it in Lewisville because it could drive business away from local entrepreneurs who purposely allow smoking in their establishments.
- It costs money to add this to the ballot.
- The market should decide with its dollars to reward businesses that have a smoking policy the people like.
- Businesses that allow smoking SHOULD be required to post a large sign visible from the street.
- He does think that if the issue was put on the ballot, it would pass.
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Posted: 2009/10/21 4:37  Updated: 2009/10/21 4:37
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 Re: Councilman Gorena's Thoughts
Just for the record:

The reason for trying to get it on the spring ballot is so it won't cost the city additional dollars to hold a special election.

"The market" has failed. You can't find a bar without smoking, karaoke without smoking, or a breakfast restaurant without smoking, bowling without smoking, pool, etc. Businesses are afraid of the potential revenue loss, even though studies repeatedly show that there is no revenue loss to these businesses.
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Posted: 2009/10/25 10:58  Updated: 2009/10/25 17:22
 Re: Councilman Gorena's Thoughts
I personally have not smelled smoke at Main Event on 35 in Lewisville, or IHOP on Main St., Karaoke? Bar?...I personally don't smoke, don't like it either...but what will be next? A "NO FARTING" ordinance? Come on just give them a smoking section, I know that some restuarants sections are not effective, IHOPS is. I'm sure there are others as well. Please.
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Posted: 2009/10/21 18:28  Updated: 2009/10/21 18:28
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 Updated again
Gorena wrote to say that he tweaked his blog post on the issue.
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Posted: 2009/10/21 16:25  Updated: 2009/10/21 16:36
 Re: Updated: Lewisville Citizens Petitioning for Anti-Smo...
Mace Meier calls our City Council spineless for not initiating a smoking ban. Boo hoo. I was under the impression we were trying to get away from big brother government. He seems to want more government control.

In order for Mr. Meier to go home smelling like an ash tray from a smoking bar, he must have been there longer than for one drink. So now we got a guy who wants to ban nicotine but doesn’t have a problem with alcohol. Then he hops into his car and drives home after drinking his depressant alcohol. Maybe Mr. Meir needs to check into rehab. The last time I looked, there were no DWS laws on the books, driving while smoking!
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Posted: 2009/10/21 18:24  Updated: 2009/10/21 18:24
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 Councilman Thornhill's Thoughts
Councilman Thornhill responded tonight with his thoughts on the issue:
Concerning the smoking concerns we have in Lewisville, let me expound somewhat on my position.

Sometime back, this issue came up before the City Council as a non-binding referendum. I was not favorable to that position as I thought it should have been a binding referendum. Thus my vote to deny the un-binding referendum. My only position on Council has been two-fold. One is to represent the Citizens of Lewisville and their concerns, and Two, do what is best to make our City the best it can be. There has really been no other agenda. If in May the people of Lewisville want their City to move in their majority of votes to ban smoking in public places, then I will support them. I think Council wants to do what is best for everyone on both sides of the issue.

Sincerely, David Thornhill
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